Forum:Automatic wiki creation: Difference between revisions

<!-- Write your message here. --> [[User:Inquisitor Sasha|Inquisitor Sasha]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor Sasha|talk]]) 22:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

 

:I believe, to the best of my knowledge, that this idea was proposed amongst the stewards at the conception of Orain, but was turned down in favor of the current method in order to allow the Organization to monitor wiki creation and avoid creating "useless" or otherwise "dangerous" wikis (i.e. illegal, promoting illegal activity, etc.). Yes, we could go through and delete those wikis, but it's best if they aren't created in the first place. Good idea, though. If others have a differing opinion, please feel free to share it and possibly some solutions to the problem(s) with automatic wiki creation. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 23:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

::I guess that might put a limit on such content. Though, just having an actively monitored wiki creation log would probably solve most issues there could be, if problematic wikis were quickly deleted. From a legal perspective, I'm sure that it's fine as long as you remove the content as soon as you find out about it. It's possible that someone might advocate illegal activity on an existing wiki regardless. The main issue I see would be test wikis of people just testing the service, but they could be quickly deleted. I think that the ability for people to just jump in an create wikis would be an attraction over other wiki hosts that allow people to create wikis automatically. We should aim to get people before they get sucked into the hollow promises of Wikia. They claim to offer so much, but it's really nothing and people will end up regretting their decision to go to Wikia. [[User:Inquisitor Sasha|Inquisitor Sasha]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor Sasha|talk]]) 01:17, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

::There are no "legal issues." You're not responsible for what people do as long as you take action against it when you are notified about it. The fact that Orain is understaffed is also a reason '''for''' making wiki creation user initiated. People aren't going to go with us to host their wiki if they have to wait two or three days at a minimum after a request when they can just go to another service and have the wiki created instantly. As I mentioned above, Dondrekhan has been waiting since March 23rd for Encyclopedia Muricana to be created. There hasn't even been a "we're busy but we're going to make it when we get the opportunity" message. People aren't going to wait. They might give a day, but after that, they're just going to go to Wikia and get locked into their BS. [[User:Inquisitor Sasha|Inquisitor Sasha]] ([[User talk:Inquisitor Sasha|talk]]) 14:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

:::Good morning. I'm not going to further comment on the regards to the wait time, but rather note that you likely are not a licensed, practicing legal professional in either the United States of America or Canada, therefore Orain cannot take you at your word with regards to what the organization would legally be responsible for. The staff members of Orain are looking into the possibility of automatic wiki creation, but part of it is a legality issue. Should it be determined that from a technical aspect, it would be manageable, Orain will move into phases of discussing with legal counsel the (potential) ramifications of such a system. Most wiki requests are actually handled promptly, but in the past week or so they have lacked because of unavailability of staff members along with other factors. Orain does not just create a wiki without checking into it, several checks are done to ensure the wiki is legitimate, does not already exist elsewhere (unless the case is a fork), etc. In conclusion, we appreciate your suggestion and are working on it. While I do not expect this to be implemented in the near future, it is being evaluated for the later future of Orain. Thank you, -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 15:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

:After reading this thread, it seems to me that the main issue with our current model is the processing time, or turnaround. However, the main issue with user-created wikis is the lack of filtering. I propose a compromise solution: having a group with semi-elevated rights, say "wiki creators", who would be able to create wikis and grant admin and crat rights to their founder. That way, they would be able to clear the great majority of wiki requests, without needing access to special tools such as interwiki user rights management. This would require some slight modifications to the CreateWiki extension: nothing impossible, but some work nonetheless. <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;">[[User:Kudu|<span style="color: blue;">Kudu</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kudu|^{<span style="color: blue;">~I/O~</span>}]]</span> 18:02, 30 March 2014 (UTC)