User talk:Lieutenant S. Reznov/Advanced hosting

I don't get the relevance to Orain or what service is being discussed here or how as a matter of fact. John (talk) 19:55, 8 November 2014 (GMT)

See the #orain logs. Southparkfan (talk) 20:15, 8 November 2014 (GMT)

I looked. I still don't get the relevance out what the service is and how it will be implemented. John (talk) 20:28, 8 November 2014 (GMT)

Probably for the people who don't want to wait for our approval of things and our commits. This advanced hosting would cause more disk space, a PHP environment with the appropriate security settings enabled, another server, and a control panel. Southparkfan (talk) 20:30, 8 November 2014 (GMT)

I'd like to see someone try it but won't be on Orain. The additional server is out of our costs, the diskspace and memory and the fact our servers need to be disposable which this is not. John (talk) 21:26, 8 November 2014 (GMT)

We'd be doing it as a supplementary thing. We could have a request board here and have the same community, but otherwise it would be separate staff. We would use Google AdSense with it to help pay for the costs. It wouldn't be ad free like the farm hosting, but it would allow for full control to the wiki owners. To avoid censorship, certain wikis could opt out of ads if their content required it. Or I'd make an extension where ads could be removed from pages through a system message. Lieutenant S., Geschichtsmeister des Lexipedium (talk) 01:22, 9 November 2014 (GMT)

It appears John has already put this idea to bed, so to speak, and made it clear that Orain isn't going to do this. However, I would also like to note that I am strongly against this idea for the additional costs Orain will incur, additional resources it will consume (both physically and manpower), the pain to maintain it will be, and the more apparent lack of demand for it. If there were a greater demand for it, and it would be worthwhile, maybe it would be considered. Right now what will likely happen, as does with most of Orain's projects, a wiki will be created (or requested), the user will design a main page (sort of), and then abandon the project. There is no reason for Orain to dedicate resources to something that will likely end up with lots of abandoned projects. Bottom line: I think this is a terrible idea and, if I had a say anymore, it is absolutely not happening. -- Joe G. (Talk) 16:07, 9 November 2014 (GMT)

It would be done by us regardless, so no official cost to Orain. We would also do what Wikkii required and require that users establish a wiki under farm hosting before they can begin requesting advanced hosting. Lieutenant S., Geschichtsmeister des Lexipedium (talk) 16:23, 9 November 2014 (GMT)

While I support the notion in general, Orain should not do it. Global sysops would be of less use in terms of combatting spam and not only is direct FTP access a security hazard, but I believe there's a reason Orain does not allow users to have CheckUser even on their own wiki (absent substantial community support); i.e. people cannot appoint themselves as CU on their own wikis.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:33, 9 November 2014 (GMT)