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Some of the above domain names are being sat on. I would ignore any attempts by the owners to sell the domain name for a high price. Offer $50 (or whatever) to all of them. Tell them all that you have offered $50 to multiple owners, and that you will pick the one you prefer in a week or two. They can't be getting many offers for domain names with "wiki" in the name. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 07:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
Some of the above domain names are being sat on. I would ignore any attempts by the owners to sell the domain name for a high price. Offer $50 (or whatever) to all of them. Tell them all that you have offered $50 to multiple owners, and that you will pick the one you prefer in a week or two. They can't be getting many offers for domain names with "wiki" in the name. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 07:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC) |
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== I wrote some information you may wish to integrate into Orain, also made a modified skin for Orain == |
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The Monaco skin used on Orain is the same port created by Dantman from Wikia, and it has some issues with WikiEditor. I have written a page on my wiki detailing these issues and fixes that can be implemented to solve several CSS errors and edit window issues, which [https://mediawikitesters.orain.org/wiki/WikiEditor/Using_WikiEditor_With_Monaco can be found here.] |
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I have also released my own modified fork of Monaco that corrects many of the problems with Monaco, but has the buttons default to the Monobook/Vector look as opposed to using the buttons the original port had used from Wikia. |
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You can find it here: |
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https://github.com/Arcane21/monaco-port |
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I'm still a novice at using Github, so I not sure I am competent enough to add these changes to the Orain core, but you may wish to look over this information and see if the rest of the more technically competent members of the Orain staff would either like to use my fixes for the Monaco port or use my modified version on Orain, as either would fix any issues with using the WikiEditor extension. |
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I would recommend the changes (if any) be implemented globally. They will not affect any wiki where WikiEditor is not installed, as the fixes are mostly CSS tweaks to fix issues with that extension, should it ever be installed on any wiki. |
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[[User:Arcane|Arcane]] ([[User talk:Arcane|talk]]) 21:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)Arcane |
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Your ShoutWiki Wiki
Hi Timeshifter! Which wiki on ShoutWiki is yours? Dusti*Let's talk!* 21:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- This one:
- http://cannabis.shoutwiki.com --Timeshifter (talk) 23:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- That's definitely a good wiki - and it could definitely be hosted here on Orain. I love the fact that you have a lot of ideas and suggestions. Your technical abilities are also a super plus. Would you possibly be interested in helping out here more? We could certainly use the boost! :) Dusti*Let's talk!* 00:16, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
- I may host some stuff here, but right now I don't have the energy. In the meantime I don't know how I can help out much here. Maybe if you start a forum, I can help out now and then.
- I am curious as to what it costs to run a wiki farm monthly? Just for site hosting, bandwidth, etc.. Not staff costs. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- Right now, the costs are extremely minimal as we've only had to take care of the domain name and SSL certificate. I expect that as time goes on those costs may fluctuate. Dusti*Let's talk!* 05:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- I am curious as to what it costs to run a wiki farm monthly? Just for site hosting, bandwidth, etc.. Not staff costs. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
(Unindent). I tried to figure out what it would cost from this page:
But that page and some of its linked pages baffle me from my cursory examination. I have seen sites like this:
Their web hosting page has some simpler pricing for people like me who do not understand the server end of stuff:
That web host has had huge multi-page ads in PCworld magazine in many issues of the magazine. So they must be big. They are also international with servers spread across several countries. I like the fact that they allow unlimited bandwidth and web space. Web space is important because the Global Marijuana March wiki at Wikia has over one gigabyte of GMM flyers, posters, banners, and other graphics all the way back to 1999. Bandwidth is important because any current GMM site gets slammed for a few months leading up to the event in May. Thousands of hits a day.
I have some ideas. Maybe you, TropicalWikis, and WikiHub can create one wiki farm. Or you could buy them out. Or ask them to donate their sites and domain names to you. So you could redirect those wikis' domain and subdomain names to your site. See:
I am leery of being on small wiki farms. I think most people are. Few want to be one of the first wikis on a wiki farm. People are not sure how they will be treated, what the wikis will be allowed to cover, how much customization is allowed. Many people have had problems with Wikia, and so their fears are understandable.
I think a memorable domain name is needed for a wiki farm. Wikia and ShoutWiki are catchy and easy to remember. I don't like "TropicalWikis". It sounds like a travel agency or something. "WikiHub" is too generic and boring. "Orain" does not have "wiki" in the name, and is hard to remember. "Orain" is not catchy.
If you consolidate all of the wikis from TropicalWikis with your wiki farm, then you are no longer a small beginning wiki farm. People would be more likely to create wikis. Especially if you have a catchy name.
Your draw might be that beginning wikis do not have ads for the first year no matter what. And for as long as their bandwidth does not exceed a certain monthly or quarterly amount. If that happens they have the option to pay to not have ads. WordPress.com has this option, and is very popular. Its Alexa rank is currently 21. See the WordPress.com info here:
--Timeshifter (talk) 21:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- I can definitely understand your concerns. I actually held a staff meeting yesterday with the stewards and we've come to a consensus on what content we will and will not host. That information should be uploaded soon - however, I'll go ahead and state it here that we'll be open to hosting all content, regardless of what content it contains - as long as it doesn't violate any laws. We're not about censorship, or will /I/ allow us to start such practices. I also outlined staff expectation and how to handle requests. At the moment, all reasonable requests are going to be approved and acted upon. Requests for extensions that may interfere with our current coding, obviously, cannot be approved. i.e. there was a recent request for User Merge and Delete. That would conflict with CentralAuth.
- I've looked into 1&1 and I really like them. I had them before for some hosting and I never really had any major issues.
- We're actually in talks with TropicalWikis in regards to merging. The current owner is deciding who he'd like to merge with. While the merger would be huge for us - I don't believe that we have to rapidly grow by introducing <100 wikis to Orain in order to be successful. It's more about expanding content here on meta in regards to what we offer and making our policies clear. Dusti*Let's talk!* 15:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
(unindent). Good to hear that TropicalWikis is trying to do a better job than Wikkii in helping their wikis move.
I have been brainstorming trying to think of some good wiki farm domain names. Unfortunately, many good names are already taken for working web sites. If you are interested here are few domain names off the top of my head that are not being used:
- yourwiki.com
- mywiki.com
- wikidom.com
- wikitime.com
- wikifire.com
- wikimax.com
A .com address is the easiest to remember worldwide, and offers the maximum flexibility as to donations, opt-in ads, etc.. A .org address is traditionally used for nonprofits, etc..
Some of the above domain names are being sat on. I would ignore any attempts by the owners to sell the domain name for a high price. Offer $50 (or whatever) to all of them. Tell them all that you have offered $50 to multiple owners, and that you will pick the one you prefer in a week or two. They can't be getting many offers for domain names with "wiki" in the name. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:56, 17 August 2013 (UTC)