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==Global Rename==
== Donation Drive Notice ==


Sorry, I forgot writting URL of my wiki; the URL is http://krsw.orain.org/. --[[User:カルサヴァ|Kalsava(カルサヴァ)]] ([[User talk:カルサヴァ|talk]]) 06:13, 3 June 2015 (BST)
Just leaving a notice that I received 3 of the exact same message postings from the "mass messaging system" on my profile at the same time. Kinda of an annoying way to blow up my profile messages.


:This is the right place to request global renames. For features on your wiki, please see [[Request features|the feature request page]] and me or another user will help you ASAP. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 12:38, 3 June 2015 (BST)
[[User:Anthonyk747|Anthonyk747]] ([[User talk:Anthonyk747|talk]]) 15:46, 5 January 2015 (GMT)
:: Sorry, I'll post request on my wiki in [[Request features|the feature request page]]. but I'd like to be renamed as above globally; would you rename me globally?--[[User:カルサヴァ|Kalsava(カルサヴァ)]] ([[User talk:カルサヴァ|talk]]) 19:08, 3 June 2015 (BST)
:Hi Anthony - I'm '''really''' sorry about that. I went through and removed all of the duplicates. It was my first time using the extension and none of the messages seemed to go out. I then noticed a typo in the Indiegogo link and had to fix that. Again, my apologies for the newbie mistake :) <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 15:49, 5 January 2015 (GMT)
:::No need to be sorry. Unfortunately, I can't rename you because that requires a [[Stewards|Steward]]. I am not a Steward but I just saw your message here. I'd love to help you with your feature request asap tho. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 20:48, 3 June 2015 (BST)
::::{{Confirmed|Done}} Rename initiated <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 19:22, 25 June 2015 (BST)


== Organizational Structure Change ==
== Replace my Username ==


Can you replace my username in '''Wikimarius'''.
It's with great sadness that I announce that John Lewis has decided to part ways with Orain. At this time, Tanner, Zachary_DuBois, and Tim will be joining our SysAdmin team. Each of them are identified according to our Privacy Policy, however, they will not have access to the Steward permissions unless they go through a community granted permissions process. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 03:29, 20 January 2015 (GMT)
[[User:Romanianaturewiki|Romanianaturewiki]] ([[User talk:Romanianaturewiki|talk]]) 18:48, 3 June 2015 (BST)
:Are you asking to be renamed {{ping|Romanianaturewiki}} <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 19:22, 25 June 2015 (BST)


== request to enable translations ==
== A message from one of the founders ==


Sorry to repeat request. I'd like to translate [[Template:Wiki farm comparison]] into Japanese. but the page isn't enabled translations. would you enable it?--[[User:カルサヴァ|Kalsava(カルサヴァ)]] ([[User talk:カルサヴァ|talk]]) 08:12, 4 June 2015 (BST)
The last couple of days have been, well, insane. Personally, I've had some issues to take care of and haven't been around as much as needed. Professionally, Orain has gone through a vast amount of changes that have gone unannounced. This is due, in part, because of my negligence, and I apologize for that. At no time have I intended to keep the community "in the dark" over what's been going on.
:{{Done}} by [[User:Southparkfan]] -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 20:54, 4 June 2015 (BST)
The first order of business is a staffing change. [[User:John|John Lewis]] is no longer with Orain. This is due for several reasons and I'm not going to dive into those in an attempt to keep this community drama free and out of respect for John. He and I spoke and it was determined the best course of action was for Orain and he to part ways. I cannot thank him enough for his hard work, dedication, and the commitment that he's shown this project.
With that being said, the obvious issue at hand, and the reason that we've had an Indiegogo campaign, is because we have technical resource needs. We've outgrown our current home and things were happening that aren't fair to the end user - you. While John was looking towards us purchasing our own servers to help with long term stability, several neutral parties expressed their concerns over the cons of that thought. When looking at the long term pro's and con's of the idea, the con's, while few, outweigh the benefits.
I approached several individuals that I have worked with in the past at other wiki farms and they were enthusiastic about helping Orain. They quickly came to our think tank and had excellent ideas. They have the passion, enthusiasm, and skills that Orain needs to continue strong as we prepare for some changes to our community. After the departure of John, I did not hesitate trusting these individuals. These individuals had no problem identifying to our community as per our identification procedures and have been given root access. They do not, however, have steward rights. Those rights are community trust positions and granted by the community. Each of them have agreed to abide by the [[Privacy policy]] set in place to protect our users and the community as a whole. I am confident that with these individuals, plus our two standing sysadmins [[User:GethN7|Geth]] and [[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]], in addition to the co-founder of this project [[User:Kudu|Kudu]] we will not only continue to better our project and our community, but we'll be able to quickly implement and respond to Feature requests and wiki requests in a timely manner.
I've asked one of the users, [[User:Tanner|Tanner (git on IRC)]] to prepare a statement that I'll now share with you. I want to reiterate and assure you that Orain is going to remain heading in the direction that it was already heading. The '''only''' major change that we're currently looking at is our servers, which was the purpose of the Indiegogo campaign. Here is git's statement:
:''Hi, I'm Tanner. As I'm sure you know, Orain has been having some technical problems. Dusti reached out to me a few days ago asking if I could help solve these problems. I investigated them a bit, and saw a few problems. First, the current infrastructure is not suited for our number of users. I plan on fixing this by shifting some things around on the servers, and adding/removing servers as necessary. In addition, I would like to move some of our services off of Orain-owned servers, onto "as a service"s. These might include Route 53 (a DNS service provided by Amazon), SES (an outgoing email service provided by Amazon), and Mailstache, Zoho, or Google Apps (all services to recieve emails). I would also like to move from using Nagios to monitor our servers to a service such as New Relic and Pingdom. By doing this, we will ensure that, should an entire datacenter go down, we will be notified no matter what. In addition, we, as a team of system administrators, are considering moving our servers from DigitalOcean to Amazon Web Services, also known as AWS. AWS is used by some of the largest websites on the internet, including Netflix, Reddit, NASA. By using AWS, we would more easily be able to scale our services as needed, and reduce downtime.''
Some users have expressed a concern about our funds and a staff change while undergoing a donation drive. I want to reiterate that I am the only individual that has access to Orain's funds. No other user has access to our funds. These funds are held in our PayPal account and a savings account held by the Bank of Nova Scotia. The funds are linked (i.e. PayPal is linked to the Savings account) so funds can be transferred back and forth and not held in a single location for security reasons. A minimal amount (i.e. two months of bills) are held in the PayPal account at a time. This is due to PayPal's ability to freeze funds without cause and for security reasons. [[User:Kudu|Kudu]] and I are in the process of submitting paperwork to the Government of Canada to obtain a non-profit classification for Orain which will enable us to have a completely separate bank account to hold our funds in.
Finally, over the coming days and weeks, proposals will be made to the community regarding policy updates. These are usually done yearly by organizations such as Facebook, PayPal, etc. and are meant to increase the level of security and privacy the members of the community have and should expect. These policies will only be strengthened, not weakened.
I am excited over these changes and feel that Orain is going to continue to head in a positive fashion and that the changes we are beginning to experience will better our services, strengthen our community, and help us move forward united as one.
Warm regards,<br>
Dustin Muniz<br>
<font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 00:30, 22 January 2015 (GMT)


== Adoption of NederlandWiki ==
== [[SRP#Revi@Meta]] ==


Hello. Could someone give me this wiki to adopt? Thanks anyway. [[User:Tintle|Tintle]] ([[User talk:Tintle|talk]]) 19:04, 4 June 2015 (BST)
I logged in here to scramble password, and found the request above wasn't handled. Thanks, &mdash; [[User talk:Revi|<span style="color:green">Revi<sub><small>Complaint?</small></sub></span>]] 16:35, 26 January 2015 (GMT)
:Done. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 16:45, 26 January 2015 (GMT)


== Problem: no permissions on new wiki ==
== Illegal attack by [[User:John]] ==


Referring to [http://meta.orain.org/w/index.php?title=Forum:No_permissions_on_new_wiki&t=20150605115246 this support ticket] suggesting staff intervention, it seems that permissions are wrong on my recently created wiki "rohbiotik.orain.org". Please correct them. Thanks in advance! --[[User:Rohbio.net|Rohbio.net]] ([[User talk:Rohbio.net|talk]]) 14:44, 5 June 2015 (BST)
On 26 January 2015, at 03:01 AM, an email was received by [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] indicating that the domain name `orain.org` had been sold via the NameCheap Marketplace at the price of $5. NameCheap is the current registrar for Orain.
:Could someone please check this? Thanks! --[[User:Rohbio.net|Rohbio.net]] ([[User talk:Rohbio.net|talk]]) 20:57, 14 June 2015 (BST)
::{{ping|Rohbio.net}} after becoming a sysadmin I manually granted you founder rights on June 16th. Are you still having this issue? If any other users experience issues let me know as it sounds like no pages are whitelisted on your private wiki. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 23:11, 25 June 2015 (BST)
:::{{ping|NDKilla}}It works fine now, thanks! --[[User:Rohbio.net|Rohbio.net]] ([[User talk:Rohbio.net|talk]]) 03:29, 27 June 2015 (BST)


== TestWiki: Proposal for bureaucrat unblockself ==
Believing that this was either a phishing email or a joke, he then immediately accessed the NameCheap account directly and discovered the `orain.org` domain was missing from the account. He then contacted NameCheap via chat and via a support ticket informing them of the issue. The first ticket was filed at 03:09AM and the chat session was initiated at 03:12AM.


Hello, I will link you a proposal from the TestWiki that has consesus to add the <code>unblockself</code> permission to the bureaucrat group. Here is the link to the proposal : [http://test.orain.org/wiki/TestWiki:Community_portal/Proposal_for_bureaucrats_unblockself link]. {{Ping|NDKilla}} as he is the starter of this proposal. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:26, 5 June 2015 (BST)
During the chat session the agent immediately locked our account, the account of the buyer, and also froze the domain so DNS records could not be changed. This was done at Dusti's request to prevent any type of security threat or disruption to the farm. There was nothing further that the chat agent could do other than to advise me to wait for the registrar's Risk Management division to reply to the ticket. One hour and seven minutes later, Risk Management began working on the support ticket gathering information from him about the incident. The domain was returned to our control at 08:08AM.
:I am sure someone will get to this as soon as they have time! You could speed the process up by making the change yourself in the ansible-playbook on github! '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 8 June 2015 (BST)
::And how can I do this? Could you please give me a link? (Sorry for bothering you). --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:59, 8 June 2015 (BST)
:::The playbook is [http://github.com/orain/ansible-playbook here], mediawiki settings can be found [https://github.com/Orain/ansible-playbook/tree/master/roles/mediawiki/files/localsettings here] '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 20:09, 8 June 2015 (BST)
::::Thank you. I am not very good at coding so probably someone else could do this. Wouldn't this edit Orain meta as well? --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 20:11, 8 June 2015 (BST)
:::::This would not affect meta if done right because you can enable the settings only on test wiki. I'll get around to it today or tomorrow. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 21:26, 8 June 2015 (BST)
::::::Thank you. If you have time please leave me a message or on the community portal when you do the change. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 12:20, 10 June 2015 (BST)
{{Done}} by SPF --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:20, 11 June 2015 (BST)


== Admin Permissions on Izanagi ==
Support was then contacted to determine the series of events that led to the domain being listed for sale. The account was accessed at 5:00:26 PM from a certain IP address. The domain was listed for sale on 1/23/2015 at 5:59:40 PM EST. IP information on hand for [[User:John|John]], obtained by our staff via CheckUser once he was suspected of being behind the attack, indicates that the last IP address from which John last accessed our own website was that same one, on both 19 January 2015 and 20 January 2015.


Hi,
For those who may be unaware, John Lewis is a former volunteer with Orain who was part of our tech division for about a year and a half, until he resigned last week. It is our belief that the domain was most likely not transferred to his own account, but simply purchased on the free market, although this is speculative. It is possible that John, in a rather cowardly way, wouldn't have wanted the domain to remain associated with his account.
It seems, my permissions weren't layer out correctly. As the founder of izanagi.orain.org, I don't have the permission to set user rights or upload files. I understand its some error with CreateWiki and was directed here. Please fix at you convenience.


Thank you!
I would like to highlight [[User:Dusti|Dusti]]'s formidable agility in the handling of this case and the protection of the farm. At no time, other than the brief few minutes from the domain transfer until locking, was the community at risk. This entire incident was unacceptable and both NameCheap and the Staff are reviewing the incident to determine the cause and also to determine what steps can be taken to ensure that this does not happen again.


However, it is important not to misinterpret this incident as a minor internal feud between staffers or ex-staffers, or as a simple matter of operational security. As far as the staff is aware, John Lewis clearly committed a criminal act by accessing the account of an organization from which he voluntarily resigned, when he clearly did not have the right to do so, and then proceeded to successfully have the domain sold and our website's service disrupted, even though this domain was not his legal property.


:{{done}} a while ago. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 12:06, 27 June 2015 (BST)
As such, an official police report has been filed with the National Fraud & Cyber Crime Reporting Centre in the United Kingdom, and a case reference number (CRN) has been obtained. The report will be forwarded to the National Fraud Intelligence Bureau, which is run by the City of London Police. We are sorry to see that our long and fruitful business relationship with John, which until now appeared to have ceased without any drama, must have turned this way, but we have no choice but to take such issues seriously.


== Bureaucrat and Admin on Roemenie and Ruimtevaart Wiki ==
[[User:Dusti|Dusti]] and I have decided to take the staff action of <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Log/globalauth|page=User:John@global}} locking]</span> [[User:John|John]]'s global account. Please note that this can be considered a preemptive block. We will privately contact John to ask him to either accept or reject our finding of events. If there is no objection to the facts that have been found, the preemptive block will be replaced with a global ban. Given that the case is in the hands of the police, we have instructed our staff members not to make any further comment on the matter, given that our only communications will be on this noticeboard for the entire community to have a clear view of the facts.


I am the maker of Roemenie Wiki : [http://roemenie.orain.org roemenie.orain.org]
For the staff,<br>
and [[http://ruimtevaart.orain.org]].
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;">[[User:Kudu|<span style="color: blue;">Kudu</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kudu|<sup><span style="color: blue;">~I/O~</span></sup>]]</span> 23:57, 26 January 2015 (GMT)
Why i am not bureaucrat and admin ?
Can you please change it
[[User:Romanianaturewiki|Romanianaturewiki]] ([[User talk:Romanianaturewiki|talk]]) 06:06, 6 June 2015 (BST)
:This request is here for 6 days. {{Ping|Addshore}} {{Ping|Southparkfan}} --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:13, 12 June 2015 (BST)
::{{Done}} by me on June 16th -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 23:15, 25 June 2015 (BST)


== Abuse Filter ==
== Removal of access ==


Because of the new [http://test.orain.org/wiki/TestWiki:Community_portal/Proposal_for_inactivity_of_administrators proposal of inactivity of administrators], I removed the flag of users with 6 months or more of inactivity. Some of them, have the bureaucrat flag too, so please, remove it from them.
I set up several abuse filters in right.orain.org. They work fine, however, in case of user error the behaviour is somewhat user unfriendly. The rules for error case are simply not accepted.
;Users
*[http://test.orain.org/wiki/User:Smtchahal Smtchahal]
*[http://test.orain.org/wiki/User:Shanmugamp7 Shanmugamp7]
*[http://test.orain.org/wiki/User:Aldnonymous Aldnonymous]
*[http://test.orain.org/wiki/User:TheTester TheTester]
*[http://test.orain.org/wiki/User:PlasmaTime PlasmaTime]


Thank you. [[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] ([[User talk:Cyborg|talk]]) 22:14, 8 June 2015 (BST)
For example, filter 14 is for new pages without category.
:Of course this is on the TestWiki. {{Ping|Southparkfan}} Could you please take care of this? --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 12:19, 10 June 2015 (BST)
What happens is, that the page will not get created, even though I just clicked "Warn" and "flag" when created the filter.
::All done '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:34, 4 July 2015 (BST)
Even, when I click just flag, the same happens: the incident is logged, no page will be created, user action blocked, but no explanation at all.


== Steward nomination ==
I compared the behaviour with en.wikipedia.org behaviour. There, if a filter says flag only, the event will only be flagged, but the action can be done. If the filter says warn and flag, the user will be warned, but can do the action. The rules for error case are here accepted.
{{Discussion top}}
Hello current Stewards and other community members. I'm not exactly sure how or why the current Stewards were chosen or how any future ones would be chosen. I myself have been around here two months but I've been trying to work with the community to figure out how to help improve it.


I've been talking to [[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]] a lot lately and I was thinking that they'd make a great Steward. SPF is a current sysadmin and I think they do a great job at that. Addshore and SPF are the two sysadmins I currently think are the most active and addshore is already a steward too. I think that SPF would also be a great Steward.
Is there a possibility to make sure, that the rules for error case are accepted? With other words, they behave as in en.wikipedia.org? [[User:Fiala1|Fiala1]] ([[User talk:Fiala1|talk]]) 23:05, 28 January 2015 (GMT)
:We're currently taking a look into this and will let you know once we've figured out what the issue is. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 15:14, 29 January 2015 (GMT)


As a sysadmin I believe SPF already has access to most, if not all, of the tools Stewards have. Being a Steward would allow SPF to help in an administrative manner rather than just maintaining Orain. This would allow SPF to regularly use Oversight without worrying if it's an "emergency" situation (SPF has handled a majority of my OS requests) and it would also allow SPF to handle [[Meta:Requests for permissions]].
::Feel free to use right.orain.org. Just create a new page with one line and without category, and you will see the effect. You can repeat the same thing in en.wikipedia.org, and then theck the edit log - you will see, it makes an entry, but it lets create the page. The filter itself is [https://right.orain.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/14]. [[User:Fiala1|Fiala1]] ([[User talk:Fiala1|talk]]) 15:38, 29 January 2015 (GMT)


I honestly don't think that any of the current Stewards are doing a bad job but I understand that things happen off-wiki and having another great community member helping as a Steward would be beneficial.
== Structural changes ==


Thank you Stewards and community members for considering this. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 18:46, 9 June 2015 (BST)
To our Community:<br>
:I accept the nomination. [[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]] ([[User talk:Southparkfan|talk]]) 18:56, 9 June 2015 (BST)


:'''Abstain''' - as a current steward, however, SPF will have to complete the identification process - which will be discussed with him privately as I am aware of his situation. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 17:27, 12 June 2015 (BST)
Effective immediately, Orain will undergo structural changes in regards to advanced user permissions and hierarchy layout. This is meant to be clarificational only, and is intended to reduce the workload of users already holding advanced permissions.
::<s>Just pointing out its hard to tell which "current steward" you are when you are logged out. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 22:55, 9 June 2015 (BST)</s> <small>Apparently it's Dusti</small>
:'''Abstain''' for now - I think SPF would make a fine steward, but I would only support if he completed the identification process. I'm surprised that he has not already (being a sysadmin and such), but that's for another discussion another time. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 00:32, 10 June 2015 (BST)
:'''Abstain''' Per Joe G, if he does the indetification process I will change to '''Support''' as SPF is suited for Steward. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 12:18, 10 June 2015 (BST)
:{{Support}} as nominator. I think it's obvious the community would support SPF if he were identified, but he is unidentified. I still support him either way and hope this isn't an issue. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 13:05, 12 June 2015 (BST)
:'''Abstain''' - Per Joe G. [[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] ([[User talk:Cyborg|talk]]) 18:57, 14 June 2015 (BST)
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<s>{{On hold|On hold/Pending Closure}} Pending discussion with {{ping|Southparkfan}} <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 19:18, 25 June 2015 (BST)</s><br>
{{Not done}} After a discussion with Southparkfan, this steward nomination is being closed as unsuccessful. Thank you all for your time, patience, and understanding. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 17:55, 26 June 2015 (BST)


== Request for Wiki Creator ==
The management structure of Orain is the following:


As [[User:addshore|addshore]] has told me to post on "Orain Meta", after I sent him an email I will. I would like to be Wiki Creator because I do not think there are enough. As NDKilla has been chosen administrator and sysadmin she will no longer have time to do all the Wiki Creating. I have read the guide and I know how the process to create wiki's works. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 18:16, 18 June 2015 (BST)
*'''Project leaders'''
:For the record I plan on still handling wiki creation as a sysadmin but I am currently out of the country. I have no objections to Reception123 becoming a wiki creator but would like someone else to guide as I will be busy. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 19:32, 18 June 2015 (BST)
::Yes, but you will of course have bigger responsibilities. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:33, 18 June 2015 (BST)
:::What is the current state with creating CNAMEs? Did anyone manage to fix the auto creation? '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 22:26, 18 June 2015 (BST)
:::: I don't think so.... Sadly ;( -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 15:47, 19 June 2015 (BST)
::::: Rights granted. Please do '''not''' create wikis yet until we (either addshore, NDKilla or me) said you can - there are some issues that need to be fixed first. [[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]] ([[User talk:Southparkfan|talk]]) 18:23, 19 June 2015 (BST)
::::::Thank you very much! Please write on my talkpage when I can start creating wikis. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2015 (BST)
==Problem with thumbnail==
https://right.orain.org/wiki/File:Global_Fertility_Rates,_1970_and_2014.png
The file does not show at all. The file on the pc is correct, size is 284kB. [[User:Fiala1|Fiala1]] ([[User talk:Fiala1|talk]]) 19:45, 24 June 2015 (BST)
:{{ping|Fiala1}} What do you mean it doesn't show up? It appears that the larger version was creating issues but the 283kB file currently uploaded works. [https://right.orain.org/wiki/User:NDKilla My user page] has two different size thumbnails of the image, and it also appears on the image's information page. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 20:58, 24 June 2015 (BST)
:It most likely was a caching issue. You should always try purging the page first before doing anything else. [[User:Wynter|Wynter]] ([[User talk:Wynter|talk]]) 04:15, 25 June 2015 (BST)
::[[Tech:Noticeboard#Thumbnail problems]] the image is now working because it was manually resized.. I've seen this problem in other places with large images.. Like I said on the noticeboard I'm not sure if it's an issue with the built in thumbnail size limiter or if it's an actual limitation that will have to be worked around. Anyways, feels more techy than stewardy -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 23:21, 25 June 2015 (BST)


== Delete my wiki ==
:The project leaders are responsible for the management of the general operation of the project. This includes the coordination of day-to-day tasks such as wiki recruitment, public relations, marketing, system administration, software development, etc. They are also responsible for Orain Inc., the corporate branch of the project, including legal matters, finances, partnerships, hiring, etc.
::At this time, the project leaders will remain the founders of this project, Users [[User:Dusti|Dusti]] and [[User:Kudu|Kudu]]. Please note that these individuals will not have a separate userright and will retain Steward flags.


Greetings all. Please delete my wiki completely. I don't want the old pages showing up in any new wiki under this subdomain:
*'''Stewards'''
*https://cannabis.orain.org


I have decided not to follow through and create another cannabis wiki. I was thinking of a different focus for this cannabis wiki, versus the other cannabis wikis out there I have worked on. But I don't have the time.
:The stewards are responsible for the management of the wiki farm branch of the project. This includes the tasks of creating wikis, assigning user rights, and dealing with functions that require access to non-public information, such as CheckUser and oversight. They also organize the delegation of those functions to certain trusted users (e.g. wiki creators, local oversighters).
::At this time, the only steward who has been confirmed and voted for by the community is [[User:Dusti|Dusti]].


I want complete deletion and not adoption. That way people will not be confused if they see my user name on the edit history of any pages here. They were mostly framework pages and categories. I already deleted all the pages and categories. And I don't want them undeleted. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 09:59, 28 June 2015 (BST)
*'''System administrators'''
:Hi Timeshifter! I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have time to attend to your other cannabis wiki. Unfortunately, we do not delete wikis here at Orain upon request. Your wiki will follow the [[dormant wikis]] policy and be closed upon meeting inactivity criteria. If another steward of sysadmin wants to close it earlier, they may do so. After 6 months of inactivity, the wiki may then be permanently deleted. I do not think you will have anyone restoring pages with your username in the edit history, and if they do, you are free to ask them to remove it at their discretion. I'm sorry we cannot directly fulfill your request, but thank you for using Orain! -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 18:46, 28 June 2015 (BST)


::I can understand the hesitation on the part of a wiki farm to delete a wiki. Some wiki farms are OK with it, and some aren't. Wikis with one controlling person (only one bureaucrat or steward) should be allowed to do this in my opinion, especially if nearly all the edits are theirs. In my wiki, there are *no* pages to defend or be worried about. See:
:The system administrators (sysadmins) are responsible for the management of the technical branch of the project. This includes the tasks of software development, system administration, server allocation, etc.
::https://cannabis.orain.org/wiki/Special:AllPages - only redirects show up. I am not even sure how they arrived here. I think a steward may have misinterpreted or enlarged one of my import requests. I did not bother deleting the redirects since they are not seen anywhere after all the pages were deleted. Those redirects in the "AllPages" results though might irritate somebody that adopts the subdomain. Why not give them a clean wiki instead, by deleting the wiki completely. Then give them single-bureaucrat status on the totally clean subdomain of cannabis.orain.org
::At this time, System administrators have been appointed by the Stewards based on experience, trust, and their compliance with Orain's identification policy. The current system administrators are [[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]], [[User:GethN7|GethN7/Arcane]], [[User:Tanner|Tanner]], [[User:Kudu|Kudu]], [[User:Tim|Tim]], [[User:Addshore|Addshore]], [[User:FastLizard4|FastLizard4]] and [[User:Zachary_DuBois|Zachary]]. These individuals are under the leadership of Tanner and Addshore, and each individual has access and responsibilities to various parts of the project.
::From Dormant wikis page: "After 6 months of inactivity, a wiki may be permanently deleted from the network unless a request is made for archival where the wiki will be kept on the network indefinitely or until such a request becomes outdated." There is nothing to archive. So why wait? --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 22:10, 28 June 2015 (BST)
:::The dormant wiki page also says that someone can adopt the wiki within that period if they so wish. I know it is not your desire that someone does, but if they want to, we don't have a compelling reason not to let them. At this time, I am not in a position to make an exception to the policy and think it should stand as is. If another steward wishes to make an exception, that is their choice and I will respect it. I'm sorry that my answer isn't what you'd like it to be, but it is the policy as it is currently written. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 01:56, 29 June 2015 (BST)
::::OK. Could you ask the other stewards about this? Rules usually have exceptions. "I know it is not your desire that someone does". No, I want someone else to adopt the subdomain, cannabis.orain.org. I am trying to free it up completely.


::::I have a question. Is there some kind of mass delete function, I or you can use to delete all the redirects listed here:
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the individuals who hold advanced permissions on this project. To date, we have relied heavily on community trust and support when handling advanced permissions and gauging trust. Although we have until now relied on community confirmations when choosing stewards, for the time being at least, we will be allowing stewards to be appointed by Orain staff in addition to the standard community processes. We believe this temporary measure will allow us to establish a strong base of experienced, trusted users to help us grow Orain through its infant stages when help from 'old wiki hands' is needed most. As always, the community is requested to show their support and concerns on any individual who they are not comfortable with.
::::https://cannabis.orain.org/wiki/Special:AllPages - nearly all of them never redirected to actual pages here. I only experimented with a few opinion pages here months ago when I was thinking of forking them from my pages on Wikia's cannabis wiki, where I am the sole bureaucrat. But I soon deleted the opinion pages here after further thought, and deciding against forking everything from Wikia to other wikis. I had already forked the Global Marijuana March city pages to Shoutwiki's cannabis wiki, where I am the steward. I had decided to keep the opinion pages on Wikia months ago. I was thinking of maybe starting another focus here on the Orain wiki. But I no longer have the time to do so. Anyway, I don't want to have to tediously delete the redirects one by one. Can you or another steward or admin help? --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 09:41, 29 June 2015 (BST)


<sub>(reset outdent)</sub> So, what you basically want, is to delete all of the redirects that still remain or all of the pages listed on AllPages? We do have [[Special:Nuke]], but I don't know if it is available on each wiki. If not, I will happily delete whatever pages you want. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 17:24, 29 June 2015 (BST)
I do not want the community to take this as a reduction of power that the community holds. I am proud of the voice and weight that our community holds and want to reiterate that this is only to help streamline the process for maintaining this project. The community still has an extremely powerful and effective voice and we will continue to rely on it.
:Actually, I just tried to nuke some of the pages on your wiki and because they are not recently added, I cannot. The system administrators do have the ability to run deleteBatch.php on a list of pages. I'll go poke one of the for you. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 17:27, 29 June 2015 (BST)
::Thanks. --[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 19:23, 29 June 2015 (BST)


== Fatal exception of type MWException ==
If you have any questions, you're more than welcome to [[User talk:Dusti|message me]], email me, or email the current staff as a whole via staff(at)orain.org.


I've noticed some wikis have been getting this error. Every few page refreshes it comes up. So far I've seen it on allthetropes and right orain wikis. The page is blank except for things like "[a2eacd4d] 2015-06-29 03:21:56: Fatal exception of type MWException" and "[bf1321ce] 2015-06-29 03:22:01: Fatal exception of type MWException". [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 04:41, 29 June 2015 (BST)
For the staff,<br>
<font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 07:15, 30 January 2015 (GMT)


:Like I said below, both wikis work for me. The issues have been resolved. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 14:38, 29 June 2015 (BST)
== Stress, the aging rat and the re-occur of neuron necrosis ==


::Indeed all of these issues should now be resolved. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:32, 4 July 2015 (BST)
And when you look at rats brains,There are stress hormones that get into your brain, and short term they do fabulous things for brain functioning. Quod est remanens, serotonin and dopamine, delivering glucose and oxygen to your brain, the exercising muscle.


== Stress, the aging rat brain and re-occur of neuron necrosis ==
== Deleting Wikis : 6 Months of inactivity ==


Hello, there are some wiki's that have been closed for 6 months and have not been adopted by anyone, as of the [[Dormant wikis]] these wiki's should be deleted by a steward. There is a list below of these Wikis. I have not yet found all of them, I will add them to this list. {{Ping|Joe G}} You have helped me with the Dormant wikis so maybe you could do the deleting. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 08:41, 29 June 2015 (BST)
I fed the rat, and observed anticipatory spy-hops and balancing on the hind legs.
https://ansiklopedi.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page
She said "oh this must be a new species of rat" and is the one who

Feeds me.
https://cricket.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://darknessdwellers.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://eikes.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://frmodamob.orain.org/wiki/Bienvenue

https://nederland.orain.org

http://programminggames.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://faalingar.orain.org
:{{Ping|Reception123}} I don't think I have the technical ability to delete the wiki, just close them. As a wikicreator, you have the ability to add the databases of those wikis to the [[Database list/Deleted|Deleted Wikis List]] and someone will take care of it from there. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 15:52, 29 June 2015 (BST)
::Okay, as a steward I thought you would have the ability to delete wikis. Probably yes, somebody else will. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 17:23, 29 June 2015 (BST)
:::{{Ping|addshore}} as you have root access. [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 19:27, 30 June 2015 (BST)
::::Thanks for [https://meta.orain.org/w/index.php?title=Database_list&diff=16835&oldid=16810 this]! They will be deleted / archived in due course but are no longer accessible anyway! :) '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:21, 4 July 2015 (BST)

::::::When you do delete/archive please also do :
tintlewiki
tintlewikiwiki
estintlewiki

per the request of author. This is on the behalf of [[User:NDKilla]] [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 13:41, 5 July 2015 (BST)

==exception on right.orain.org==
when we try to edit, we get: [85861b6b] 2015-06-29 08:16:52: Fatal exception of type MWException
We also get the same type of exception, when we try to look at the Recent changes page.
[[User:Fiala1|Fiala1]] ([[User talk:Fiala1|talk]]) 09:17, 29 June 2015 (BST)
:I can perfectly see both the RecentChanges page, and edit other pages. I have heard the error has been solved. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 14:35, 29 June 2015 (BST)

:: Monday, it came back and by mid-day everything was down on all wikis except for the very front page of meta.orain.org -- all other pages were down. I did a test and found that Cloudflare wasn't bringing up the CAPTCHA page for Tor so something is being routed wrong. Orain stayed down all Monday through the night and came back at some point today, Tuesday...but I only checked first an hour ago. Today, meta and allthetropes work perfectly but right gets errors about 3/4th of the time when not logged in and about 1/2 of the time when logged in. As of now it happens far more often on &action=history pages and Special: pages like Special:Recentchanges and submitting things to a show preview does it like all of the time. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2015 (BST)

Now (30th June, 2015), 22:22 evening, Middle European Time, again:
Selecting recent changes causes: <br>
[848019ec] 2015-06-30 20:21:34: Fatal exception of type MWException <br>
Calling edit on any the page also causes exeption<br>
[97094500] 2015-06-30 20:28:53: Fatal exception of type MWException <br>
Strangely the error comes and goes, after page reload it disappears, and later re-appears.<br>
[[User:Fiala1|Fiala1]] ([[User talk:Fiala1|talk]]) 21:23, 30 June
2015 (BST)


right.orain is now fully down and even after hundreds of refreshes, won't load anymore. Other wikis still work. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 00:03, 1 July 2015 (BST)

The MWException mainly affects right.orain even though the extensions are for another wiki, likely the testwiki. The testwiki and all the other wikis get intermitent errors but are not down. Sunday, Monday, and today right.orain gets growing MWException and then permanently goes down around noon from MWException. It stays down for about 22 hours, then is up about 2 hours, then goes right back down. Last month Orain had outages like this and it lasted weeks.

I tested it and I am not getting the Cloudflare CAPTCHA when I connect on Tor so Cloudflare is not up. That may be related to the issue. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 01:58, 1 July 2015 (BST)

:All of these should now be fixed. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:32, 4 July 2015 (BST)

== Notification of resignment ==

Dear readers,

I write this message because I want to explain the community something. You may or may not know who I am, but I’m currently best known as a wiki creator, global sysop and system admininistrator who has been part of Orain since the beginning (in July two years ago!). I have various rights and roles here, and I have always contributed to Orain as best as I can. But, from now on, I will no longer be a wiki creator, global sysop or sysadmin.

I’ll immediately resign from all my positions (as of writing: Meta sysop, Meta bureaucrat, Global Rollbacker, Global Sysop, system administrator (and some other accounts related to this)). There are a few reasons for that.

I don’t really like the work anymore. Despite the fact that I work as a volunteer, I feel the work has become more of a responsibility than something you like to do. That’s not anyone’s fault (I really mean that), but I still don’t really enjoy it anymore compared to a while back before this. I don’t want to do volunteer work if I feel it’s not really volunteering anymore.

There are also some more reasons besides the above one, but I’d like to keep them private.
I’d like to thank you all for all the great times I have had with you. It was a pleasure to work here. I hopefully may see you somewhere else, like on a Wikimedia project, or on IRC.

Oh, and as a last note: I will leave Orain, but not things which are more or less known by people on Orain (e.g. IRC and Wikimedia projects). If you want to contact me, you are always welcome to do so. Either via Special:EmailUser/Southparkfan, IRC (you can usually find me in #wikimedia- channels), or on a Wikimedia project. My username there is Southparkfan.

Thank you for the great times, and goodbye!<br />
[[User:Southparkfan|Southparkfan]] ([[User talk:Southparkfan|talk]]) 18:43, 30 June 2015 (BST)

:Rest in peace SPF July 2013 - June 2015. You will be dearly missed around here, and I plan on keeping in touch. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 18:49, 30 June 2015 (BST)
::You will be missed! You were a great user around here, I hope you do good in what you plan to do!


I have a suspicion that you were doing technical work behind the scenes to keep Orain smoothly and now that you're not here, the server is acting like it misses you. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 01:21, 3 July 2015 (BST)

:Sad to see you go! '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 4 July 2015 (BST)

== Wiki creator ==

Can I become a wiki creator. I would like to help more in Orain. Regards. [[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] ([[User talk:Cyborg|talk]]) 21:31, 30 June 2015 (BST)
:{{ping|Cyborg}} I'd like you to contact me on IRC (NDK|Cloud) sometime tomorrow when I'm online, or whenever you see me online. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 22:28, 30 June 2015 (BST)
::For the record, while this is not technically a vote, I'd oppose it as not now. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 01:00, 3 July 2015 (BST)
::I don't necessarily 'oppose' but I feel we have enough right now to get the job done for now! '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:31, 4 July 2015 (BST)

== Continued problems on All The Tropes ==

:Every page has the same error when trying to load the subpage tabs at the top. Instead of the buttons to take you to Quotes, Laconic, and such, it displays "Lua error: callParserFunction: function "SUBPAGES" was not found". {{unsigned|QuestionableSanity}}

:: You're lucky allthetropes is even up. right is completely down while all others are up. Whatever's causing the tab error on allthetropes is in Template:Trope. Template:Trope has code like #vardefine, #ifeq, and #invoke which I've seen have parsing trouble on wikis. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 04:16, 1 July 2015 (BST)

::: '''Comment by Sysadmin''' {{ping|QuestionableSanity}} {{ping|Chemtrail Morgellons}} Orain is experiencing global issues with several extensions that use parser functions, and I'm having trouble figuring out why. The issue on ATT is caused by thee fact that several of these extensions have been disabled to make the site accessible. RightWiki is currently experiencing a continuous outage because it uses Extension:EmbedVideo, but I currently can't disable the extension. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 12:30, 1 July 2015 (BST)

:::: Is there an alternate video extension? [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 22:51, 1 July 2015 (BST)
:::::All extensions are now enabled again, let us know if you see any issues... '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:30, 4 July 2015 (BST)

== Extensions disabled ==

* [https://game.orain.org 게임위키](Gamewiki)
[[mw:Extension:EmbedVideo|Extension:EmbedVideo]] has been disabled.

P.S. The speed of the wiki has been too slow. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 01:30, 2 July 2015 (BST)
:{{ping|MINT}} The sysadmins had to disable that extension earlier today in order to fix the MWException errors. I don't have an ETA of when it will be re-enabled (if it will be), but you are welcome to wait for a sysadmin to comment further. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 02:40, 2 July 2015 (BST)
::This has now been reenabled [https://github.com/Orain/ansible-playbook/commit/0ec0f81c9626daae47803195b018b626c3f8e44b here] '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 09:29, 4 July 2015 (BST)
:::Activation but it does not operate. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 01:36, 6 July 2015 (BST)


After being up and down for several days, I notice it's back now but the video code is very different. Not the code for using it, but the code it generates for displaying a video. Then I checked on other websites and I see it's actually YouTube that changed their code--all websites everywhere get this negative change. If you have flashblock and then rightclick to open a video in a new window, it used to display a nice full screen view https colon //www.youtube.com/embed/84hz9w2GlV4 and now it displays a broken view https colon //s.ytimg.com/yts/swfbin/player-vflCB26A5/watch_as3.swf#!flashvars#video_id=nascar-nscs15-day2-high5 . I wonder if YouTube was behind the extension problem.

Also replace "colon" with ":" on the links. I keep getting "Your edit includes new external links. To protect the wiki against automated spam, we kindly ask you to type the two words you see in the box below:" and no box comes up to enter the CAPTCHA into. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (BST)
:{{Ping|Chemtrail Morgellons}} I'm so sorry that it won't let you add external links. I've gone ahead and assigned you the necessary permissions (I hope!) to not require you to complete the captcha and add the external links. I'll file a report with our system administrators and see what I can do about the captcha not appearing as well, it definitely should be working! Thank you for also explaining the new YouTube thing! -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 02:02, 7 July 2015 (BST)
::Thank you for the account change. Hmmm... I notice the extension video is back off again. I don't know why the extension still has errors. It might be a combination of two extensions together like people taking multiple pharmaceutical pills as medicine and have bad interactions. You might've heard of elderly people taking 30 different pills together. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 08:35, 7 July 2015 (BST)
:::How about using a different thing to view Youtube Extensions? --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 01:15, 9 July 2015 (BST)

== I can't able to edit entire articles in [http://diav.orain.org my private wiki]. ==

It's only available as 'View Source' and I can't edit them with the reason is 'You do not have permission to edit this page' even my account having administrator and bureaucrat rights on that wiki and there's no protection has applied. So please check that problem if possible? Thanks for read these section. :) --[[User:Lagoon|Lagoon]] ([[User talk:Lagoon|talk]]) 09:41, 3 July 2015 (BST)
:That is odd. {{Ping|NDKilla}} --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 09:45, 3 July 2015 (BST)
::{{ping|Lagoon}} I may be mistaken but it appears you have several edits on your wiki. Did this issue just start? I've been trying to disable editing on closed wikis, sorry about this. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 15:38, 3 July 2015 (BST)
:::{{ping|NDKilla}} Yeah, these problem was started at last a day or two days. --[[User:Lagoon|Lagoon]] ([[User talk:Lagoon|talk]]) 16:11, 3 July 2015 (BST)
::::{{ping|NDKilla}} The issue is with the commit you made last night. You removed the 'edit' right from the user group and now no one has the edit right at all on private wikis. You and I can edit them because we are given that right in our global steward group, but otherwise, no group on the private wiki has the ability to edit. I would suggest adding 'edit' to the sysop, crat, and member groups on private wikis. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 23:18, 3 July 2015 (BST)
:::::[[pull:638|PR #638]] should fix this. [[User:Wynter|Wynter]] ([[User talk:Wynter|talk]]) 23:50, 3 July 2015 (BST)
<sub>(outdent)</sub>Thank you Wynter! -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 01:40, 4 July 2015 (BST)
:Thanks for letting me know where the problem has occur in. Anyway, still my wiki does not able to edit them but I hope they'll fix it soon. --[[User:Lagoon|Lagoon]] ([[User talk:Lagoon|talk]]) 02:02, 4 July 2015 (BST)
::Lagoon, we are just waiting for a system admin to formally approve the changes and you will be all set. It shouldn't be too much longer! Thank you for your patience! -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 03:12, 4 July 2015 (BST)
:::I have merged the PR, this should be deployed in the next 10 mins. '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 08:43, 4 July 2015 (BST)
::::Yeah, it has been nicely fixed right now! Thank you so much! <3 --[[User:Lagoon|Lagoon]] ([[User talk:Lagoon|talk]]) 08:59, 4 July 2015 (BST)
:::::No worries! '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup>

== Request Adoption of http://ga.orain.org/ (Status : Done) ==

:I want to readopt my old wiki. I am the original writer, and it became dormant after i didn't visit for a long time. {{unsigned|Guochel}}
::Okay. I will re-open your wiki. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 10:46, 8 July 2015 (BST)

{{Done}} Your wiki has been re-opened. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 10:53, 8 July 2015 (BST)
:::{{Ping|Guochel}} If you do not edit your wiki in 7 days it will unfortunately be closed again, as if you adopt you also have to '''edit''' the wiki. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 06:25, 20 July 2015 (BST)
::::{{ping|Reception123}} shouldn't he have 30 days from the time the wiki is unlocked and the notice is removed? -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 08:22, 20 July 2015 (BST)
:::::Yes, I am sorry I will wait 4 more days and then the notice will go in action. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 11:11, 20 July 2015 (BST)

== Request importupload right ==

farmingsimulator.orain.org - farmingsimulator - Requesting importupload right (membership in importer group). Thank you :) --[[User:Slivicon|Slivicon]] ([[User talk:Slivicon|talk]]) 23:50, 20 July 2015 (BST)
:Hi there Silvicon! I've granted you membership in the importer group on your wiki. Typically, this right is granted on a temporary basis, but I did not specify an end date for you. When you feel that you no longer need this right, please let us know. So, this is {{done}}. -- <font color="blue"><b>[[User:Joe G|Joe&nbsp;G.]]</b></font> ([[User_talk:Joe G|Talk]]) 00:13, 21 July 2015 (BST)
::{{ping|Joe G}} Thank you, Joe. I am finished importing the farming simulator wiki latest revision XML export from the Wikia farming simulator wiki, under creative commons license. After some discussion with {{ping|NDKilla}}, I've been made aware that some of the Wikia content needed to be deleted, as well as a large number of pages that were not written by me and not relevant to the new farming simulator wiki on orain. I believe I've completed all the obvious deletions, but still am going through each remaining page. I had also mentioned to {{ping|Reception123}} on the requests board, but I would like to ask that, because this is a new wiki, and I am the only contributor so far, and I'm deleting all content that may seem unattributed, I want to ensure no possibility of any complaint or future restoration of deleted imported data. Would it be possible to please have someone run the maintenance scripts [[mw:Manual:DeleteOldRevisions.php]] and [[mw:Manual:DeleteArchivedRevisions.php]] (obviously only for farmingsimulator.orain.org)? I may have to request it be done again in the near future once I've gone over the remaining imported data, but wanted to ask now since the bulk of the obvious has been either deleted or removed in edits. Thank you. --[[User:Slivicon|Slivicon]] ([[User talk:Slivicon|talk]]) 18:08, 21 July 2015 (BST)

== Extensions Error ==

Extension:EmbedVideo the installation but, not to work. This video is not shown in the document. Replace text, failed to function. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 00:25, 21 July 2015 (BST)
:This issue is an important issue in the (my)wiki. I want a quick solution. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 01:10, 23 July 2015 (BST)
:An error has now disappeared. However, there were no errors have occurred in the past again. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 03:15, 23 July 2015 (BST)
::{{Ping|MINT}} So that means there is no more error? [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 05:21, 23 July 2015 (BST)
:::There is no one now. However, the situation is probably not as reliable. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 09:52, 23 July 2015 (BST)
::::I will notify sysadmin's about the issue and see what can be done. --[[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 12:27, 23 July 2015 (BST)
:::::Was this an exception or some other type of error? Did you take a screenshot? '''[[User:Addshore|<span style="color:black">·addshore·</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Addshore|<span style="color:black;">talk to me!</span>]]</sup> 12:33, 23 July 2015 (BST)
::::::{{Ping|MINT}} [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 12:35, 23 July 2015 (BST)
::::::I'm sorry. I could not capture. Later it will capture when an error occurs. --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 09:04, 24 July 2015 (BST)
::::::{{Ping|MINT}} Could you at least give us a link? [[User:Reception123|Reception123]] ([[User talk:Reception123|talk]]) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (BST)

(Reset indent) {{ping|MINT}} per [https://game.orain.org/wiki/사용자:NDKilla my user page on the wiki] and Special:Version it appears as though EV is working. If you encounter any more errors please capture it and leave a note here. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 12:49, 24 July 2015 (BST)
:An error occurred again. [[:File:Youtuberror.jpg]] --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 01:02, 26 July 2015 (BST)

The problem happened last month and it used to shut down Orain for days. It's many more extensions than this actually. There's embedvideo and there's what allthetropes uses on its article pages for a menu. I believe there's more. The adminstrators of Orain other than Addshore tried to fix it and could not so they disabled all the extensions. July 4, Addshore came in and fixed it, which lasted a day and then Orain started going down so I emailed him. Addshore, being the skilled technical person he is, fixed it so it permanently would never have Orain go down. He set it so the MWExceptions now get written into a logfile [https://github.com/Orain/mediawiki-core/commit/f1e5359d06f8186d05902e0ea6aad71d4a1f9558] so now Orain never went down from this again. (Wikia does the same thing [https://github.com/Wikia/app/blob/dev/includes/MagicWord.php#L293]). The extention error wasn't fixed, just the issue of Orain going down completely. There appears to be a conflict between multiple extensions or god knows what because when the error occurs, all the extensions I mentioned stop working like they're disabled, but nobody disables them. An hour later, they work again. Addshore has not replied to emails since July 10 and the issue has remained as is. Addshore is a brillian technical person it seems (I thought so since I read [http://addshore.com/2015/05/ddos-of-orain/ this entry on his blog]) but the issue still continues. Embedvideo itself is nothing more than some basic HTML code and it literally just needs a simple template with pure HTML that copies the exact code with a variable for the video and title and it would work the same -- the extension itself however appears to not cache its work for more than an hour and one option is replacing it with a pure HTML template (just copy the HTML code for each video site, likely only YouTube, and a Steward with permissions can make a pure HTML template). However invoking it while similar to invoking a template uses "#ev:youtube" and starting a template title with a "#" character is not allowed, though a template "ev:youtube" is allowed. Or perhaps Addshore or somebody can fix the extension issues permanently. It sounds like near the end of June an extension was either added or updated and multiple are conflicting. I am very happy with Orain very strong uptime this month though. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 01:42, 31 July 2015 (BST)

It's been going on for 33 days so far. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 12:11, 6 August 2015 (BST)
:This error can not you fix it? --[[User:MINT|MINT]] ([[User talk:MINT|talk]]) 00:40, 8 August 2015 (BST)
::Orain technicians are the ones who have access to fix it. It is in Orain's server-side configuration. Addshore sent the errors to logfiles and the errors which my guess is are just the vague errors it used to send publicaly, "MWException" followed by random numbers. If the errors can be logged in detail, the source can be found. I am not sure how many extensions are affected but multiple extensions probably are in conflict with one another. [[User:Chemtrail Morgellons|Chemtrail Morgellons]] ([[User talk:Chemtrail Morgellons|talk]]) 10:03, 8 August 2015 (BST)

== Request to enable importing ==

Hello! I'd like to ask to have importing (membership in importer group) of XML files enabled on [https://cwsplanet.orain.org cwsplanet.orain.org]. Thank you! :) [[User:ConWorkShop|ConWorkShop]] ([[User talk:ConWorkShop|talk]]) 20:22, 25 July 2015 (BST)

:{{ping|ConWorkShop}} how many pages are you going to be importing and how big is the XML file? Note that this right is assigned by stewards only and usually temporarily. I'm assuming you want it not permission to give it. -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 20:59, 25 July 2015 (BST)

== Notification of Extended Inactivity ==

I will be entirely unavailable beginning August 9th for an indefinite amount of time. I will be moving from Canada to the United States. During this time, if you need anything that's urgent, please email staff(at)orain.org or contact your next favorite Steward. Should that be unsuccessful or should you feel that your issue is unresolved, please contact [[User:Kudu|Kudu]]. He will have the final say on all issues during this time. You're welcome to still send me messages and I'll reply as able - just don't count on it. Thank you for choosing Orain, and have yourself a wonderful day. <font face="MV Boli">[[User:Dusti|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dusti|<sup>*Let's talk!*</sup>]]</font> 03:59, 3 August 2015 (BST)
:Good luck with the move, Dusti -- Cheers, [[User:NDKilla|NDKilla]] <sup> ( [[User talk:NDKilla|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NDKilla|Contribs]] ) </sup> 17:15, 3 August 2015 (BST)

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Global Rename

Sorry, I forgot writting URL of my wiki; the URL is http://krsw.orain.org/. --Kalsava(カルサヴァ) (talk) 06:13, 3 June 2015 (BST)

This is the right place to request global renames. For features on your wiki, please see the feature request page and me or another user will help you ASAP. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 12:38, 3 June 2015 (BST)
Sorry, I'll post request on my wiki in the feature request page. but I'd like to be renamed as above globally; would you rename me globally?--Kalsava(カルサヴァ) (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2015 (BST)
No need to be sorry. Unfortunately, I can't rename you because that requires a Steward. I am not a Steward but I just saw your message here. I'd love to help you with your feature request asap tho. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 20:48, 3 June 2015 (BST)
Done Rename initiated Dusti*Let's talk!* 19:22, 25 June 2015 (BST)

Replace my Username

Can you replace my username in Wikimarius. Romanianaturewiki (talk) 18:48, 3 June 2015 (BST)

Are you asking to be renamed @Romanianaturewiki: Dusti*Let's talk!* 19:22, 25 June 2015 (BST)

request to enable translations

Sorry to repeat request. I'd like to translate Template:Wiki farm comparison into Japanese. but the page isn't enabled translations. would you enable it?--Kalsava(カルサヴァ) (talk) 08:12, 4 June 2015 (BST)

 Done by User:Southparkfan -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 20:54, 4 June 2015 (BST)

Adoption of NederlandWiki

Hello. Could someone give me this wiki to adopt? Thanks anyway. Tintle (talk) 19:04, 4 June 2015 (BST)

Problem: no permissions on new wiki

Referring to this support ticket suggesting staff intervention, it seems that permissions are wrong on my recently created wiki "rohbiotik.orain.org". Please correct them. Thanks in advance! --Rohbio.net (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2015 (BST)

Could someone please check this? Thanks! --Rohbio.net (talk) 20:57, 14 June 2015 (BST)
@Rohbio.net: after becoming a sysadmin I manually granted you founder rights on June 16th. Are you still having this issue? If any other users experience issues let me know as it sounds like no pages are whitelisted on your private wiki. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 23:11, 25 June 2015 (BST)
@NDKilla:It works fine now, thanks! --Rohbio.net (talk) 03:29, 27 June 2015 (BST)

TestWiki: Proposal for bureaucrat unblockself

Hello, I will link you a proposal from the TestWiki that has consesus to add the unblockself permission to the bureaucrat group. Here is the link to the proposal : link. @NDKilla: as he is the starter of this proposal. --Reception123 (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2015 (BST)

I am sure someone will get to this as soon as they have time! You could speed the process up by making the change yourself in the ansible-playbook on github! ·addshore· talk to me! 19:57, 8 June 2015 (BST)
And how can I do this? Could you please give me a link? (Sorry for bothering you). --Reception123 (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2015 (BST)
The playbook is here, mediawiki settings can be found here ·addshore· talk to me! 20:09, 8 June 2015 (BST)
Thank you. I am not very good at coding so probably someone else could do this. Wouldn't this edit Orain meta as well? --Reception123 (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2015 (BST)
This would not affect meta if done right because you can enable the settings only on test wiki. I'll get around to it today or tomorrow. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 21:26, 8 June 2015 (BST)
Thank you. If you have time please leave me a message or on the community portal when you do the change. Reception123 (talk) 12:20, 10 June 2015 (BST)

 Done by SPF --Reception123 (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2015 (BST)

Admin Permissions on Izanagi

Hi, It seems, my permissions weren't layer out correctly. As the founder of izanagi.orain.org, I don't have the permission to set user rights or upload files. I understand its some error with CreateWiki and was directed here. Please fix at you convenience.

Thank you!


 Done a while ago. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 12:06, 27 June 2015 (BST)

Bureaucrat and Admin on Roemenie and Ruimtevaart Wiki

I am the maker of Roemenie Wiki : roemenie.orain.org and [[1]]. Why i am not bureaucrat and admin ? Can you please change it Romanianaturewiki (talk) 06:06, 6 June 2015 (BST)

This request is here for 6 days. @Addshore: @Southparkfan: --Reception123 (talk) 18:13, 12 June 2015 (BST)
 Done by me on June 16th -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 23:15, 25 June 2015 (BST)

Removal of access

Because of the new proposal of inactivity of administrators, I removed the flag of users with 6 months or more of inactivity. Some of them, have the bureaucrat flag too, so please, remove it from them.

Users

Thank you. Cyborg (talk) 22:14, 8 June 2015 (BST)

Of course this is on the TestWiki. @Southparkfan: Could you please take care of this? --Reception123 (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2015 (BST)
All done ·addshore· talk to me! 09:34, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Steward nomination

On hold/Pending Closure Pending discussion with @Southparkfan: Dusti*Let's talk!* 19:18, 25 June 2015 (BST)
Not done After a discussion with Southparkfan, this steward nomination is being closed as unsuccessful. Thank you all for your time, patience, and understanding. Dusti*Let's talk!* 17:55, 26 June 2015 (BST)

Request for Wiki Creator

As addshore has told me to post on "Orain Meta", after I sent him an email I will. I would like to be Wiki Creator because I do not think there are enough. As NDKilla has been chosen administrator and sysadmin she will no longer have time to do all the Wiki Creating. I have read the guide and I know how the process to create wiki's works. --Reception123 (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2015 (BST)

For the record I plan on still handling wiki creation as a sysadmin but I am currently out of the country. I have no objections to Reception123 becoming a wiki creator but would like someone else to guide as I will be busy. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 19:32, 18 June 2015 (BST)
Yes, but you will of course have bigger responsibilities. --Reception123 (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2015 (BST)
What is the current state with creating CNAMEs? Did anyone manage to fix the auto creation? ·addshore· talk to me! 22:26, 18 June 2015 (BST)
I don't think so.... Sadly ;( -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 15:47, 19 June 2015 (BST)
Rights granted. Please do not create wikis yet until we (either addshore, NDKilla or me) said you can - there are some issues that need to be fixed first. Southparkfan (talk) 18:23, 19 June 2015 (BST)
Thank you very much! Please write on my talkpage when I can start creating wikis. --Reception123 (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2015 (BST)

Problem with thumbnail

https://right.orain.org/wiki/File:Global_Fertility_Rates,_1970_and_2014.png The file does not show at all. The file on the pc is correct, size is 284kB. Fiala1 (talk) 19:45, 24 June 2015 (BST)

@Fiala1: What do you mean it doesn't show up? It appears that the larger version was creating issues but the 283kB file currently uploaded works. My user page has two different size thumbnails of the image, and it also appears on the image's information page. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 20:58, 24 June 2015 (BST)
It most likely was a caching issue. You should always try purging the page first before doing anything else. Wynter (talk) 04:15, 25 June 2015 (BST)
Tech:Noticeboard#Thumbnail problems the image is now working because it was manually resized.. I've seen this problem in other places with large images.. Like I said on the noticeboard I'm not sure if it's an issue with the built in thumbnail size limiter or if it's an actual limitation that will have to be worked around. Anyways, feels more techy than stewardy -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 23:21, 25 June 2015 (BST)

Delete my wiki

Greetings all. Please delete my wiki completely. I don't want the old pages showing up in any new wiki under this subdomain:

I have decided not to follow through and create another cannabis wiki. I was thinking of a different focus for this cannabis wiki, versus the other cannabis wikis out there I have worked on. But I don't have the time.

I want complete deletion and not adoption. That way people will not be confused if they see my user name on the edit history of any pages here. They were mostly framework pages and categories. I already deleted all the pages and categories. And I don't want them undeleted. --Timeshifter (talk) 09:59, 28 June 2015 (BST)

Hi Timeshifter! I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have time to attend to your other cannabis wiki. Unfortunately, we do not delete wikis here at Orain upon request. Your wiki will follow the dormant wikis policy and be closed upon meeting inactivity criteria. If another steward of sysadmin wants to close it earlier, they may do so. After 6 months of inactivity, the wiki may then be permanently deleted. I do not think you will have anyone restoring pages with your username in the edit history, and if they do, you are free to ask them to remove it at their discretion. I'm sorry we cannot directly fulfill your request, but thank you for using Orain! -- Joe G. (Talk) 18:46, 28 June 2015 (BST)
I can understand the hesitation on the part of a wiki farm to delete a wiki. Some wiki farms are OK with it, and some aren't. Wikis with one controlling person (only one bureaucrat or steward) should be allowed to do this in my opinion, especially if nearly all the edits are theirs. In my wiki, there are *no* pages to defend or be worried about. See:
https://cannabis.orain.org/wiki/Special:AllPages - only redirects show up. I am not even sure how they arrived here. I think a steward may have misinterpreted or enlarged one of my import requests. I did not bother deleting the redirects since they are not seen anywhere after all the pages were deleted. Those redirects in the "AllPages" results though might irritate somebody that adopts the subdomain. Why not give them a clean wiki instead, by deleting the wiki completely. Then give them single-bureaucrat status on the totally clean subdomain of cannabis.orain.org
From Dormant wikis page: "After 6 months of inactivity, a wiki may be permanently deleted from the network unless a request is made for archival where the wiki will be kept on the network indefinitely or until such a request becomes outdated." There is nothing to archive. So why wait? --Timeshifter (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2015 (BST)
The dormant wiki page also says that someone can adopt the wiki within that period if they so wish. I know it is not your desire that someone does, but if they want to, we don't have a compelling reason not to let them. At this time, I am not in a position to make an exception to the policy and think it should stand as is. If another steward wishes to make an exception, that is their choice and I will respect it. I'm sorry that my answer isn't what you'd like it to be, but it is the policy as it is currently written. -- Joe G. (Talk) 01:56, 29 June 2015 (BST)
OK. Could you ask the other stewards about this? Rules usually have exceptions. "I know it is not your desire that someone does". No, I want someone else to adopt the subdomain, cannabis.orain.org. I am trying to free it up completely.
I have a question. Is there some kind of mass delete function, I or you can use to delete all the redirects listed here:
https://cannabis.orain.org/wiki/Special:AllPages - nearly all of them never redirected to actual pages here. I only experimented with a few opinion pages here months ago when I was thinking of forking them from my pages on Wikia's cannabis wiki, where I am the sole bureaucrat. But I soon deleted the opinion pages here after further thought, and deciding against forking everything from Wikia to other wikis. I had already forked the Global Marijuana March city pages to Shoutwiki's cannabis wiki, where I am the steward. I had decided to keep the opinion pages on Wikia months ago. I was thinking of maybe starting another focus here on the Orain wiki. But I no longer have the time to do so. Anyway, I don't want to have to tediously delete the redirects one by one. Can you or another steward or admin help? --Timeshifter (talk) 09:41, 29 June 2015 (BST)

(reset outdent) So, what you basically want, is to delete all of the redirects that still remain or all of the pages listed on AllPages? We do have Special:Nuke, but I don't know if it is available on each wiki. If not, I will happily delete whatever pages you want. -- Joe G. (Talk) 17:24, 29 June 2015 (BST)

Actually, I just tried to nuke some of the pages on your wiki and because they are not recently added, I cannot. The system administrators do have the ability to run deleteBatch.php on a list of pages. I'll go poke one of the for you. -- Joe G. (Talk) 17:27, 29 June 2015 (BST)
Thanks. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:23, 29 June 2015 (BST)

Fatal exception of type MWException

I've noticed some wikis have been getting this error. Every few page refreshes it comes up. So far I've seen it on allthetropes and right orain wikis. The page is blank except for things like "[a2eacd4d] 2015-06-29 03:21:56: Fatal exception of type MWException" and "[bf1321ce] 2015-06-29 03:22:01: Fatal exception of type MWException". Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 04:41, 29 June 2015 (BST)

Like I said below, both wikis work for me. The issues have been resolved. --Reception123 (talk) 14:38, 29 June 2015 (BST)
Indeed all of these issues should now be resolved. ·addshore· talk to me! 09:32, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Deleting Wikis : 6 Months of inactivity

Hello, there are some wiki's that have been closed for 6 months and have not been adopted by anyone, as of the Dormant wikis these wiki's should be deleted by a steward. There is a list below of these Wikis. I have not yet found all of them, I will add them to this list. @Joe G: You have helped me with the Dormant wikis so maybe you could do the deleting. --Reception123 (talk) 08:41, 29 June 2015 (BST) https://ansiklopedi.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://cricket.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://darknessdwellers.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://eikes.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://frmodamob.orain.org/wiki/Bienvenue

https://nederland.orain.org

http://programminggames.orain.org/wiki/Main_Page

https://faalingar.orain.org

@Reception123: I don't think I have the technical ability to delete the wiki, just close them. As a wikicreator, you have the ability to add the databases of those wikis to the Deleted Wikis List and someone will take care of it from there. -- Joe G. (Talk) 15:52, 29 June 2015 (BST)
Okay, as a steward I thought you would have the ability to delete wikis. Probably yes, somebody else will. --Reception123 (talk) 17:23, 29 June 2015 (BST)
@Addshore: as you have root access. Reception123 (talk) 19:27, 30 June 2015 (BST)
Thanks for this! They will be deleted / archived in due course but are no longer accessible anyway! :) ·addshore· talk to me! 09:21, 4 July 2015 (BST)
When you do delete/archive please also do :

tintlewiki tintlewikiwiki estintlewiki

per the request of author. This is on the behalf of User:NDKilla Reception123 (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2015 (BST)

exception on right.orain.org

when we try to edit, we get: [85861b6b] 2015-06-29 08:16:52: Fatal exception of type MWException We also get the same type of exception, when we try to look at the Recent changes page. Fiala1 (talk) 09:17, 29 June 2015 (BST)

I can perfectly see both the RecentChanges page, and edit other pages. I have heard the error has been solved. --Reception123 (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2015 (BST)
Monday, it came back and by mid-day everything was down on all wikis except for the very front page of meta.orain.org -- all other pages were down. I did a test and found that Cloudflare wasn't bringing up the CAPTCHA page for Tor so something is being routed wrong. Orain stayed down all Monday through the night and came back at some point today, Tuesday...but I only checked first an hour ago. Today, meta and allthetropes work perfectly but right gets errors about 3/4th of the time when not logged in and about 1/2 of the time when logged in. As of now it happens far more often on &action=history pages and Special: pages like Special:Recentchanges and submitting things to a show preview does it like all of the time. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 21:24, 30 June 2015 (BST)

Now (30th June, 2015), 22:22 evening, Middle European Time, again: Selecting recent changes causes:
[848019ec] 2015-06-30 20:21:34: Fatal exception of type MWException
Calling edit on any the page also causes exeption
[97094500] 2015-06-30 20:28:53: Fatal exception of type MWException
Strangely the error comes and goes, after page reload it disappears, and later re-appears.
Fiala1 (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2015 (BST)


right.orain is now fully down and even after hundreds of refreshes, won't load anymore. Other wikis still work. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2015 (BST)

The MWException mainly affects right.orain even though the extensions are for another wiki, likely the testwiki. The testwiki and all the other wikis get intermitent errors but are not down. Sunday, Monday, and today right.orain gets growing MWException and then permanently goes down around noon from MWException. It stays down for about 22 hours, then is up about 2 hours, then goes right back down. Last month Orain had outages like this and it lasted weeks.

I tested it and I am not getting the Cloudflare CAPTCHA when I connect on Tor so Cloudflare is not up. That may be related to the issue. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 01:58, 1 July 2015 (BST)

All of these should now be fixed. ·addshore· talk to me! 09:32, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Notification of resignment

Dear readers,

I write this message because I want to explain the community something. You may or may not know who I am, but I’m currently best known as a wiki creator, global sysop and system admininistrator who has been part of Orain since the beginning (in July two years ago!). I have various rights and roles here, and I have always contributed to Orain as best as I can. But, from now on, I will no longer be a wiki creator, global sysop or sysadmin.

I’ll immediately resign from all my positions (as of writing: Meta sysop, Meta bureaucrat, Global Rollbacker, Global Sysop, system administrator (and some other accounts related to this)). There are a few reasons for that.

I don’t really like the work anymore. Despite the fact that I work as a volunteer, I feel the work has become more of a responsibility than something you like to do. That’s not anyone’s fault (I really mean that), but I still don’t really enjoy it anymore compared to a while back before this. I don’t want to do volunteer work if I feel it’s not really volunteering anymore.

There are also some more reasons besides the above one, but I’d like to keep them private. I’d like to thank you all for all the great times I have had with you. It was a pleasure to work here. I hopefully may see you somewhere else, like on a Wikimedia project, or on IRC.

Oh, and as a last note: I will leave Orain, but not things which are more or less known by people on Orain (e.g. IRC and Wikimedia projects). If you want to contact me, you are always welcome to do so. Either via Special:EmailUser/Southparkfan, IRC (you can usually find me in #wikimedia- channels), or on a Wikimedia project. My username there is Southparkfan.

Thank you for the great times, and goodbye!
Southparkfan (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2015 (BST)

Rest in peace SPF July 2013 - June 2015. You will be dearly missed around here, and I plan on keeping in touch. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 18:49, 30 June 2015 (BST)
You will be missed! You were a great user around here, I hope you do good in what you plan to do!


I have a suspicion that you were doing technical work behind the scenes to keep Orain smoothly and now that you're not here, the server is acting like it misses you. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 01:21, 3 July 2015 (BST)

Sad to see you go! ·addshore· talk to me! 09:31, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Wiki creator

Can I become a wiki creator. I would like to help more in Orain. Regards. Cyborg (talk) 21:31, 30 June 2015 (BST)

@Cyborg: I'd like you to contact me on IRC (NDK|Cloud) sometime tomorrow when I'm online, or whenever you see me online. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 22:28, 30 June 2015 (BST)
For the record, while this is not technically a vote, I'd oppose it as not now. -- Joe G. (Talk) 01:00, 3 July 2015 (BST)
I don't necessarily 'oppose' but I feel we have enough right now to get the job done for now! ·addshore· talk to me! 09:31, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Continued problems on All The Tropes

Every page has the same error when trying to load the subpage tabs at the top. Instead of the buttons to take you to Quotes, Laconic, and such, it displays "Lua error: callParserFunction: function "SUBPAGES" was not found". — Preceding unsigned comment added by QuestionableSanity (talkcontribs)
You're lucky allthetropes is even up. right is completely down while all others are up. Whatever's causing the tab error on allthetropes is in Template:Trope. Template:Trope has code like #vardefine, #ifeq, and #invoke which I've seen have parsing trouble on wikis. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2015 (BST)
Comment by Sysadmin @QuestionableSanity: @Chemtrail Morgellons: Orain is experiencing global issues with several extensions that use parser functions, and I'm having trouble figuring out why. The issue on ATT is caused by thee fact that several of these extensions have been disabled to make the site accessible. RightWiki is currently experiencing a continuous outage because it uses Extension:EmbedVideo, but I currently can't disable the extension. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 12:30, 1 July 2015 (BST)
Is there an alternate video extension? Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 22:51, 1 July 2015 (BST)
All extensions are now enabled again, let us know if you see any issues... ·addshore· talk to me! 09:30, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Extensions disabled

Extension:EmbedVideo has been disabled.

P.S. The speed of the wiki has been too slow. --MINT (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2015 (BST)

@MINT: The sysadmins had to disable that extension earlier today in order to fix the MWException errors. I don't have an ETA of when it will be re-enabled (if it will be), but you are welcome to wait for a sysadmin to comment further. -- Joe G. (Talk) 02:40, 2 July 2015 (BST)
This has now been reenabled here ·addshore· talk to me! 09:29, 4 July 2015 (BST)
Activation but it does not operate. --MINT (talk) 01:36, 6 July 2015 (BST)


After being up and down for several days, I notice it's back now but the video code is very different. Not the code for using it, but the code it generates for displaying a video. Then I checked on other websites and I see it's actually YouTube that changed their code--all websites everywhere get this negative change. If you have flashblock and then rightclick to open a video in a new window, it used to display a nice full screen view https colon //www.youtube.com/embed/84hz9w2GlV4 and now it displays a broken view https colon //s.ytimg.com/yts/swfbin/player-vflCB26A5/watch_as3.swf#!flashvars#video_id=nascar-nscs15-day2-high5 . I wonder if YouTube was behind the extension problem.

Also replace "colon" with ":" on the links. I keep getting "Your edit includes new external links. To protect the wiki against automated spam, we kindly ask you to type the two words you see in the box below:" and no box comes up to enter the CAPTCHA into. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 23:04, 6 July 2015 (BST)

@Chemtrail Morgellons: I'm so sorry that it won't let you add external links. I've gone ahead and assigned you the necessary permissions (I hope!) to not require you to complete the captcha and add the external links. I'll file a report with our system administrators and see what I can do about the captcha not appearing as well, it definitely should be working! Thank you for also explaining the new YouTube thing! -- Joe G. (Talk) 02:02, 7 July 2015 (BST)
Thank you for the account change. Hmmm... I notice the extension video is back off again. I don't know why the extension still has errors. It might be a combination of two extensions together like people taking multiple pharmaceutical pills as medicine and have bad interactions. You might've heard of elderly people taking 30 different pills together. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 08:35, 7 July 2015 (BST)
How about using a different thing to view Youtube Extensions? --MINT (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2015 (BST)

I can't able to edit entire articles in my private wiki.

It's only available as 'View Source' and I can't edit them with the reason is 'You do not have permission to edit this page' even my account having administrator and bureaucrat rights on that wiki and there's no protection has applied. So please check that problem if possible? Thanks for read these section. :) --Lagoon (talk) 09:41, 3 July 2015 (BST)

That is odd. @NDKilla: --Reception123 (talk) 09:45, 3 July 2015 (BST)
@Lagoon: I may be mistaken but it appears you have several edits on your wiki. Did this issue just start? I've been trying to disable editing on closed wikis, sorry about this. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 15:38, 3 July 2015 (BST)
@NDKilla: Yeah, these problem was started at last a day or two days. --Lagoon (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2015 (BST)
@NDKilla: The issue is with the commit you made last night. You removed the 'edit' right from the user group and now no one has the edit right at all on private wikis. You and I can edit them because we are given that right in our global steward group, but otherwise, no group on the private wiki has the ability to edit. I would suggest adding 'edit' to the sysop, crat, and member groups on private wikis. -- Joe G. (Talk) 23:18, 3 July 2015 (BST)
PR #638 should fix this. Wynter (talk) 23:50, 3 July 2015 (BST)

(outdent)Thank you Wynter! -- Joe G. (Talk) 01:40, 4 July 2015 (BST)

Thanks for letting me know where the problem has occur in. Anyway, still my wiki does not able to edit them but I hope they'll fix it soon. --Lagoon (talk) 02:02, 4 July 2015 (BST)
Lagoon, we are just waiting for a system admin to formally approve the changes and you will be all set. It shouldn't be too much longer! Thank you for your patience! -- Joe G. (Talk) 03:12, 4 July 2015 (BST)
I have merged the PR, this should be deployed in the next 10 mins. ·addshore· talk to me! 08:43, 4 July 2015 (BST)
Yeah, it has been nicely fixed right now! Thank you so much! <3 --Lagoon (talk) 08:59, 4 July 2015 (BST)
No worries! ·addshore· talk to me!

Request Adoption of http://ga.orain.org/ (Status : Done)

I want to readopt my old wiki. I am the original writer, and it became dormant after i didn't visit for a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guochel (talkcontribs)
Okay. I will re-open your wiki. --Reception123 (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2015 (BST)

 Done Your wiki has been re-opened. --Reception123 (talk) 10:53, 8 July 2015 (BST)

@Guochel: If you do not edit your wiki in 7 days it will unfortunately be closed again, as if you adopt you also have to edit the wiki. --Reception123 (talk) 06:25, 20 July 2015 (BST)
@Reception123: shouldn't he have 30 days from the time the wiki is unlocked and the notice is removed? -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 08:22, 20 July 2015 (BST)
Yes, I am sorry I will wait 4 more days and then the notice will go in action. --Reception123 (talk) 11:11, 20 July 2015 (BST)

Request importupload right

farmingsimulator.orain.org - farmingsimulator - Requesting importupload right (membership in importer group). Thank you :) --Slivicon (talk) 23:50, 20 July 2015 (BST)

Hi there Silvicon! I've granted you membership in the importer group on your wiki. Typically, this right is granted on a temporary basis, but I did not specify an end date for you. When you feel that you no longer need this right, please let us know. So, this is  Done. -- Joe G. (Talk) 00:13, 21 July 2015 (BST)
@Joe G: Thank you, Joe. I am finished importing the farming simulator wiki latest revision XML export from the Wikia farming simulator wiki, under creative commons license. After some discussion with @NDKilla:, I've been made aware that some of the Wikia content needed to be deleted, as well as a large number of pages that were not written by me and not relevant to the new farming simulator wiki on orain. I believe I've completed all the obvious deletions, but still am going through each remaining page. I had also mentioned to @Reception123: on the requests board, but I would like to ask that, because this is a new wiki, and I am the only contributor so far, and I'm deleting all content that may seem unattributed, I want to ensure no possibility of any complaint or future restoration of deleted imported data. Would it be possible to please have someone run the maintenance scripts mw:Manual:DeleteOldRevisions.php and mw:Manual:DeleteArchivedRevisions.php (obviously only for farmingsimulator.orain.org)? I may have to request it be done again in the near future once I've gone over the remaining imported data, but wanted to ask now since the bulk of the obvious has been either deleted or removed in edits. Thank you. --Slivicon (talk) 18:08, 21 July 2015 (BST)

Extensions Error

Extension:EmbedVideo the installation but, not to work. This video is not shown in the document. Replace text, failed to function. --MINT (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2015 (BST)

This issue is an important issue in the (my)wiki. I want a quick solution. --MINT (talk) 01:10, 23 July 2015 (BST)
An error has now disappeared. However, there were no errors have occurred in the past again. --MINT (talk) 03:15, 23 July 2015 (BST)
@MINT: So that means there is no more error? Reception123 (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2015 (BST)
There is no one now. However, the situation is probably not as reliable. --MINT (talk) 09:52, 23 July 2015 (BST)
I will notify sysadmin's about the issue and see what can be done. --Reception123 (talk) 12:27, 23 July 2015 (BST)
Was this an exception or some other type of error? Did you take a screenshot? ·addshore· talk to me! 12:33, 23 July 2015 (BST)
@MINT: Reception123 (talk) 12:35, 23 July 2015 (BST)
I'm sorry. I could not capture. Later it will capture when an error occurs. --MINT (talk) 09:04, 24 July 2015 (BST)
@MINT: Could you at least give us a link? Reception123 (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2015 (BST)

(Reset indent) @MINT: per my user page on the wiki and Special:Version it appears as though EV is working. If you encounter any more errors please capture it and leave a note here. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 12:49, 24 July 2015 (BST)

An error occurred again. File:Youtuberror.jpg --MINT (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2015 (BST)

The problem happened last month and it used to shut down Orain for days. It's many more extensions than this actually. There's embedvideo and there's what allthetropes uses on its article pages for a menu. I believe there's more. The adminstrators of Orain other than Addshore tried to fix it and could not so they disabled all the extensions. July 4, Addshore came in and fixed it, which lasted a day and then Orain started going down so I emailed him. Addshore, being the skilled technical person he is, fixed it so it permanently would never have Orain go down. He set it so the MWExceptions now get written into a logfile [2] so now Orain never went down from this again. (Wikia does the same thing [3]). The extention error wasn't fixed, just the issue of Orain going down completely. There appears to be a conflict between multiple extensions or god knows what because when the error occurs, all the extensions I mentioned stop working like they're disabled, but nobody disables them. An hour later, they work again. Addshore has not replied to emails since July 10 and the issue has remained as is. Addshore is a brillian technical person it seems (I thought so since I read this entry on his blog) but the issue still continues. Embedvideo itself is nothing more than some basic HTML code and it literally just needs a simple template with pure HTML that copies the exact code with a variable for the video and title and it would work the same -- the extension itself however appears to not cache its work for more than an hour and one option is replacing it with a pure HTML template (just copy the HTML code for each video site, likely only YouTube, and a Steward with permissions can make a pure HTML template). However invoking it while similar to invoking a template uses "#ev:youtube" and starting a template title with a "#" character is not allowed, though a template "ev:youtube" is allowed. Or perhaps Addshore or somebody can fix the extension issues permanently. It sounds like near the end of June an extension was either added or updated and multiple are conflicting. I am very happy with Orain very strong uptime this month though. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 01:42, 31 July 2015 (BST)

It's been going on for 33 days so far. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 12:11, 6 August 2015 (BST)

This error can not you fix it? --MINT (talk) 00:40, 8 August 2015 (BST)
Orain technicians are the ones who have access to fix it. It is in Orain's server-side configuration. Addshore sent the errors to logfiles and the errors which my guess is are just the vague errors it used to send publicaly, "MWException" followed by random numbers. If the errors can be logged in detail, the source can be found. I am not sure how many extensions are affected but multiple extensions probably are in conflict with one another. Chemtrail Morgellons (talk) 10:03, 8 August 2015 (BST)

Request to enable importing

Hello! I'd like to ask to have importing (membership in importer group) of XML files enabled on cwsplanet.orain.org. Thank you! :) ConWorkShop (talk) 20:22, 25 July 2015 (BST)

@ConWorkShop: how many pages are you going to be importing and how big is the XML file? Note that this right is assigned by stewards only and usually temporarily. I'm assuming you want it not permission to give it. -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 20:59, 25 July 2015 (BST)

Notification of Extended Inactivity

I will be entirely unavailable beginning August 9th for an indefinite amount of time. I will be moving from Canada to the United States. During this time, if you need anything that's urgent, please email staff(at)orain.org or contact your next favorite Steward. Should that be unsuccessful or should you feel that your issue is unresolved, please contact Kudu. He will have the final say on all issues during this time. You're welcome to still send me messages and I'll reply as able - just don't count on it. Thank you for choosing Orain, and have yourself a wonderful day. Dusti*Let's talk!* 03:59, 3 August 2015 (BST)

Good luck with the move, Dusti -- Cheers, NDKilla ( TalkContribs ) 17:15, 3 August 2015 (BST)